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janeau
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« on: November 02, 2012, 10:06:08 AM »

I all ,hope everyone is doing ok, and whoever weathered the storm is safe and sound.

 i was wondering about Laurel berry oil , Laurel fruit oil , and Laurel bay oil . i know the names vary a bit but which is the one found in classic castile soap (castile laurel soap)and what are the difference in characteristics among them. plus i have been seeing EO's of the above mentioned names , are they the same thing? is there anyone or supplier that carry it in larger bottles ?

it may be awhile before i can get back to this thread so please bare with me// storm knocked out power and we still waiting to get it back Smiley

thank you
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 06:09:04 AM »

Laurel oil, whether from the berries or infused from the leaves is hard to find.  I bought a bar of soap from Queen of Aleppo in Ireland and it is wonderful!  I want to make some, but the only source of laurel oil I can find is in China or Taiwan.  One supplier has a minimum order of 55 gallons!  The only other ones I find are just essential oils in tiny quantities.  The bar of soap I got was brown on the outside about 1/4 inch deep and bright olive green on the inside.  It has cleared up my old dry skin on my arms just from showering with it.  The original Aleppo Family Soap company in Aleppo Syria is in trouble because of all the fighting there and they can't get supplies.  I wish them well.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 06:17:28 AM »

LelandRogers, where is the source you found for 55 gallons?  I couldn't even find that here in the states!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2012, 03:18:59 PM »

thanks for the reply LelandRogers , i am just now finding this reply (we was without power  here after the storm that hit N.Y for about a week so it slipped my mind to look it up ) . most of the information i came across when i first started out looking for it . i have not made Castile soap as yet and i wholeheartedly prefer to add laurel oil to it , something about it appeals to me.
i will look for it when i get deeper into my soap making , to see where and how i can get my hands on a reasonable priced amount .
hi loolee Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2012, 06:20:27 AM »

hello!  Smiley

 Glad you have power now!  If you do find it, let me know.  I'd love to make some soap with it.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2013, 02:20:35 PM »

Here is a link to a company who sells Laurel essential oil from Corsica, France.  The founder of this company has gone to the farm where the family who distills this EO also wild-harvests it from the hills of their property.  (And you don't have to buy it in 55 gallon quantities- wow!)  It is excellent quality. 

http://www.floracopeia.com/store/products/Laurel-Essential-Oil%2C-Corsica-dram-%283.75-ml%29.html

I can understand your love of Laurel, it is great for boosting self-esteem and confidence.  Who doesn't have to have good self-esteem when you take a bath?  <sigh>  I love soaps made with real essential oils...

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 02:58:18 AM »

Bay Laurel Essential Oil is not the same thing as Bay Laurel Oil. To make real Bay Laurel Soap you need the Bay Laurel Oil and you use it at 20% - 40%. You can enhance it with Bay Laurel Essential Oil if you like. You can tell Bay Laurel Soap by it's color. When cured it will be a golden yellow on the outside and a bright green on the inside. The colors are more intense according to how much Bay Laurel Oil you use. Soaps with 40% Bay Laurel Oil will sell for more than those with 20%. People who are familiar with Bay Laurel soap will know these characteristics and be disappointed if the soap is white. Bay Laurel Oil is very difficult to come by in the USA because of troubles in Syria but it can be obtained from vendors in Europe and Australia but it will be expensive.

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 09:33:24 AM »

Alibaba comes up when doing a search. They offer mega amounts, but also offer 1 Kg. I sent an email asking for a price plus shipping (appx) for 10Kg. I've never kealt with this company before so we'll see what happens. It does say the source is Mumbai.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 10:02:57 AM »

thank you brnicholas for that info , that is more of what i wanted to know. i remember one time in a post you told me to try out Aleppo soap, i finally got two bars the other day and started using one, and i can truly say it lived up to everything i heard and thought it would be. it is nice lathering , creamy , and leaves the skin feeling soft and nourished . now i got to be nice to my family members in europe so i can get them to hunt down the oil for me Smiley .... it is worth a try. i am glad i held off making castile soap for this is the type i want to get close too, my own version.
Question : i do not remember which on it is [whether it is Aleppo or savon de marseille ] that adds salt water / from the sea i think it is, to their soap making. is that done to make the soap hard or is it done for some other reason.
 @ situ : i have been seeing those same links pop up in google search but never thought of trying them out. i will wait until i get deeper into soaping before i go that route . i have three soaps that i want to try make in homage to soaping fathers and Aleppo is one of them. so we will see how it all go.
thanks everyone for your replys
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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 11:57:59 AM »

I've yet to receive an answer. I'm mainly curious. I would like to give it a try also, but do have a budget to follow.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2013, 05:53:08 AM »

Janeau,

I think it is the Savon de Marseille that has the sea water. But you can add dead sea salt to Aleppo soap to make it harder. I found an article about Savon de Marseille here: http://ezinearticles.com/?Savon-De-Marseille---When-Did-the-Manufacture-of-This-Wonderful-Natural-French-Soap-Begin?&id=3792196. I also found this article about Aleppo soap here: http://www.naturalcosmeticnews.com/new-products/aleppo-soap-the-true-natural-soap/. I don't know that I would get water out of the ocean though, especially where I live, because Savannah is the fourth largest shipping port in the country and I don't think the water in the ocean is very clean for many miles from the mouth of the river. And they are going to dredge a deeper channel in the river so that they can get even larger ships in. You can buy ocean water at PetSmart or PetCo that has been cleaned, filtered, and pH balanced in 5 gallon boxes.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2013, 07:11:03 AM »

brnicholas,
All the Bay Laurel oil I found is essential oil.  I've combed the internet + cannot find Bay Laurel as a carrier oil.  I'm thinking the EO is whats being used.  It is ultra expensive. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2013, 08:04:41 AM »

Bay Laurel Oil is just very hard to find in this country because of the troubles in Syria. You can scent soap with Bay Laurel EO but it isn't true Bay Laurel Soap.

An alternative is to make it yourself. You can infuse Bay Laurel leaves and berries. I think you have to cook it. The oil you use to infuse it is olive oil. I have never done it but I have hear of people doing it. I've also hear that you want as many berries as you can but you will get very tired of picking them. Leaves are much easier to pick. I think you will achieve a very green oil that smells like bay leaves. The essential won't make the characteristic colors that the oil will have. I have to go work at the food pantry now but I will try to remember to look up how to make it later this afternoon. My memory was the first thing to go when I got to my late 60's and now it's getting worse. Cheesy

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2013, 03:17:14 PM »

Opulence,

Bay Laurel Oil is available on Alibaba.com but I don't know how much it is. Probably expensive. What I have found out is that the essential oil is made from the leaves and the oil is made from the berries. I did find a simple instruction on how to make it:

Bay Laurel oil is made from grinded and boiled (15 minutes) Bay Laurel fruits 100g in 1l of oil. Strain it and let it cool. Store the mixture in small dark and hermetically closed bottles. Bay Laurel oil has anti-rheumatism effects.

I don't know where you can get the berries but the leaves are used for cooking. The Bay Laurel trees grow abundantly in California but that's no help for me. I'm on the opposite coast. I will ask on another forum that I belong to but it is getting late so I will do it tomorrow.

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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2013, 04:48:12 AM »

Opulence,

I inquired with Alibaba and they won't quote a price unless you are an importer. I just posted an inquiry on the Soap_Maker page on Facebook and if you want to follow it you can find it here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/soapmakers.original/. I'll let you know if I find anything out.

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