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keldertron
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« on: March 21, 2014, 02:34:30 PM »

I had a really, really big moment of dumb yesterday.

Went to line my mold before making my batch of soap and realized that I was out of parchment paper. So I though, Oh! I'll just use tinfoil! (YES I know - and I knew then, too - that you can't mix lye and aluminum. Like I said. Dumb. No, really. I get it. I'm dumb. Embarrassed)

I'm sure you can feel my moment of derp from way over wherever-there-is, as I realized what I had done when I unwrapped the molds from the towels and saw the tinfoil and thought out loud to myself.... "Did I REALLY just do that...Huh"

Well. I did it. And the melted mess on the bottom of the mold was an interesting piece of art, to be sure.

I was just going to throw out the entire brick but someone mentioned that I should be able to cut off the edges and the rest should be fine. The color and smell seem fine, but I just don't know. And don't really want to take the chance. And this is where I'm coming to ask for help. I tried googling but just came up with lots of recipes for napalm and lighting hydrogen gas on fire. Almost made me want to take a lighter to my soap to see what happens.

But me being the inexperience git I am, figured I'd check in with people who might know. Am I able to recover a little from my goof? Or should I just toss it and consider it a lesson learned the hard way?
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2014, 02:53:20 PM »

Well, normally, my answer is that there is always a use for soap that did not come out right.  However, in this case, personally, I would throw out the whole thing.  My reasoning behind that is that the best way to avoid an accident is don't be there.  Like I can't get into a car accident (short of a car driving into my house) if I don't leave the house.  I am not a chemist, and have kind of lost my lust for research due to the fact that most don't seem to appreciate the effort, so I don't know if the aluminum would cause an issue or not, but, in my mind, better safe than sorry.  I am sure that others much more knowledgeable than I will respond and you may get a better idea of what the consequences may be.

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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2014, 03:39:22 PM »

Yeah, that's kind of the impression I'm getting too. I'm off to the library (YES! That THING with all the books!) to see if I can find out more on this reaction. From what I've seen so far... once the reaction between the sodium hydroxide/water/aluminum is finished it is harmless buuuuttttt..... not sure I want to risk that on other people.

Me maybe.

Customers, friends and family, not so much.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2014, 03:59:55 PM »

Well, just for complete disclosure, I am paranoid to a fault, so it may be fine, I don't know.  Smiley

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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2014, 06:29:45 PM »

I just like to know. Otherwise it bugs me having the giant "unknown". LOL
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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2014, 08:43:14 AM »

Told my husband what I did (he laughed. Alot.  Tongue) and he wants to see what happens with it. So we're letting it cure with the rest and going to see how the ph and such work out. Again.  Curiosity.  We both like science and figure since we have it may as well play with it.

 Making a new batch of it with him today as he's curious to see how is done.

Minus the tinfoil.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2014, 09:16:21 AM »

Just when I think life is too stressful, someone comes along and tells what they have done and I laugh...a lot!  Thanks for posting.  Bless your heart, you will never do that one again.  Can you post the pictures of the "Art" if you kept it.  I would be interested to see what it did, but I am not willing to go through that same process.  I'm the type of person that if I did that on purpose for the sake of seeing it, it would probably blow up and catch my house on fire!   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2014, 01:23:09 PM »

Once the reaction is complete, it IS "basically" harmless. HOWEVER, once you introduce a new "catalyst" (i.e. warm water and lathering), the reaction can start again. The best idea I can think for you, is to cut at least 1/2"-3/4" off all sides that were in contact with the foil, and use it for some purpose rather than human washing (e.g. Put some in a bucket with hot water, and use it to wash your car).
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2014, 04:15:27 PM »

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Just when I think life is too stressful, someone comes along and tells what they have done and I laugh...a lot!

If you ever want to feel better about yourself just follow my footsteps - just not too closely. I fall. A lot. LOL Some people have wondered if I have some kind of disability.

I do. It's called being a clutz! LOL!!

Honestly, when things like this happen I just shake my head at myself and do it over again. No point stressing. Cheesy

I did, however, already cut off the aluminum bits and what not, but on my next batch I'll do a small one again just to post up what happens. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has had this question - likely just the only one that's not afraid of admitting my mistake. Heehee.

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Once the reaction is complete, it IS "basically" harmless. HOWEVER, once you introduce a new "catalyst" (i.e. warm water and lathering), the reaction can start again.

THANKS SO MUCH for this! This is what I had been concerned about, but couldn't find ANYTHING. Lots of "when the reaction is over...." but what about the leftovers? The library was no help. Mostly because it was hard to figure out where to start looking.

We're not using it for "people" soap, but going to use it for exactly that - cars, springtime window washing, etc.

Thinking about lighting it on fire to see if anything happens. LOL
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2014, 06:10:04 PM »

ROFLOL!!
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2014, 08:06:28 PM »

So, I read a post in another forum a few years ago...the lady was telling how she was making soap with a girl scout group, and didn't realize about not using aluminum until the soap ate a hole in her pot & it was leaking out.  But the best part is, she told the girls to hurry up & bring over their milk carton molds to fill!  She told it like it was funny, but I don't know about sending all of those kids home with their 'aluminum' soap! Shocked
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2014, 03:49:12 PM »

Eeek! It probably didn't sink in that the aluminum was being mixed in! ! That's exactly why I didn't want to use this for "people" soap!
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