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Author Topic: Vanilla FO vs. Vanilla Extract in Hot Process Soap and Cold Process Soap  (Read 4074 times)
Bridgerov
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« on: March 22, 2012, 09:27:19 AM »

Has anyone used Vanilla Extract as a fragrance for either CP or HP soap?

ALSO, will Special Edition Vanilla FO turn my HP soap dark brown? It turns my CP soap dark brown, but I don't know if it's because of the pH factor being higher in CP soap than it is after I have cooked soap (which lowers the pH.) Any ideas? I'm hoping to have the color consistent in both my CP and my HP soap, using Special Edition Vanilla FO.

I had no success using vanilla oleoresin. No scent remaining in my HP soap, even though I added the 5 ml. AFTER the cook in my 60 oz. batch.

Any ideas out there?
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2012, 10:26:20 AM »

Are you talking about real vanilla extract - like you cook with - or vanilla extract FO?
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2012, 04:46:32 AM »

Actually, I was talking about plain vanilla extract, like one uses in baking. However, since then, I have made a new batch of HP soap, same recipe as my very dark CP vanilla soap (using a little cocoa butter in the batch) AND scenting it with Special Edition Vanilla Fragrance Oil. It did not turn dark, even though I added the FO at trace, rather than waiting until the soap was cooked. I guess the lesson here is that if I want to get my soap that nice dark color, I have to cold process it.

But I still don't know why.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2012, 06:07:15 AM »

Just so you know real Vanilla Extract is not advised in soapmaking.  It is an irritant to the skin - extracts are derived with alcohol.  I only get that deep brown color when I CPOP
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 12:52:31 PM »

Thank you for that info. Actually, I get a beautiful dark brown color when I CP the soap, so it is nice to know that I can get it also by CPOP. In trying to HP my vanilla soap, any combination of oils, (with or without cocoa butter) using a vanilla FO, (adding it before or after the cook) it turned a mottled lt.-med. brown - not what I was going for. It's getting a little darker day by day, but not nearly a nice solid dark brown that I had with CP. Thanks for the suggestion of CPOP!
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 02:40:46 AM »

Does cocoa butter prevent the soap from coloring? I have a recipe with a large amount of cocoa butter and I don't seem to be able to color it except for just the slightest tint. When I use vanilla in a recipe without cocoa butter it turns dark chocolate brown. The recipe with doesn't turn at all. I was dissappointed.

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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2012, 12:55:30 PM »

When I scent my soaps with vanilla (usually a blend with rose and other floral EO's) I put cocoa butter in the recipe.

Soaps change color to a light brown, but not a dark chocolate brown. I always thought it was because of the amount of vanilla I used in the EO blend.

I really would like to know if cocoa butter has an effect on the color like you suggest...
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 09:34:43 AM »

Yeah, I'd like to know that too. I made a batch of Vanilla FO soap, CP, that had cocoa butter in it. The soap turned a DARK BROWN. Loved it!  Adding the Vanilla FO in HP did not turn my soap dark brown. Adding the Vanilla FO in CPOP turned dark brown, but I did add the cocoa powder because someone advised it. It turned a dark brown, just what I wanted. Maybe it would have anyway, even without the cocoa powder, but I wasn't taking any chances in wasting a batch.
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 02:25:38 PM »

How much cocoa powder do you use? My recipe is about 16% cocoa butter but I haven't tried it with cocoa powder.

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