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Author Topic: SMR's Shampoo Bar Recipe: Review request, Matters of Tussah Silk and Egg Yolk  (Read 2233 times)
sudsmum
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« on: April 17, 2013, 08:38:24 AM »

Hello, Everyone!  I am making my first shampoo bar (CP) from SMR's recipe.  I would love to read some reviews.  I have normal hair but since living in Houston, the scalp tends to get oily after a couple of days.  Due to this, I cut back super fat in this recipe to 3%.  I have not used tussah silk before (or egg yolk, for that matter) and have seen in a couple of tutorials where the silk is strained while the lye is being added to the oils.  This wasn't mentioned in the SMR's recipe tutorial so I am wondering...do you strain your lye?  At 100 degrees, fibers are still evident.  I appreciate any feedback.

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Silk fibers were strained.  I'm not sure about the egg yolk BUT I've just read the thread "Raw Egg" (http://www.talksoapforum.com/cold-process-and-hot-process-discussion/raw-egg/) and wished I had found it prior to making this batch.  I assumed that everything needed to know about the recipe would be under the search topic of the shampoo bar recipe.  Anyhow, with my practice batch, I have gotten scrambled egg twice.  Thankfully, this is a small batch and it doesn't take long to crack, separate, and remove a membrane from one egg.  I added a small amount of the soap batch to the first yolk, (which was at room temp.) and it thickened and clumped immediately during the stir so I added more batter.  I wasn't expecting clumpy egg yolk.  The lye and oils were cooled to 75 degrees.  I set that yolk-batch combo aside and tried again with less batter and a cold egg yolk, of course.  The result was worse (maybe because the batter was heating up and/or the yolk was right out of the fridge?).  I was just about to not use yolk at all and then decided to push the first attempt through a sieve and added it to the batter and stick blended really well and poured at trace.  I don't see clumps in the batter itself.  This is very tricky.  Undecided  If I do make another batch of soap with egg, I'll try a different method.  The additional sources mention adding warm oil to egg prior to adding to the soap batter or adding egg to base oils prior to combining with lye...

http://voices.yahoo.com/guide-using-eggs-soap-making-recipes-8294781.html?cat=24


http://www.soapmakingforum.com/f11/egg-yolk-soap-18164/

"I use one yolk PPO - the difference in the soap is truly amazing - the lather is rich and deep as well as hugely conditioning.

You do need to temper the egg yolk. The way to do it is to beat the yolk first then add warm oils and beat - then add back into the oils without your lye and blend it really, really well, then you can add your lye and soap as usual. This is best made RTCP. One of my favourite soaps!"

http://www.diannassundries.com/r_soap.asp#egg_yolk_soap
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2013, 11:40:13 AM »

Thank you so much for posting all of this and for the recipes on your website.  I have wondered about this and have chickens so eggs are plentiful.  I have experience a little lack of info with another of Steve's recipes, but made it work eventually, so am glad to see that you made a successful egg soap.  Also, I was wondering if the yolk in the soap actually made any difference in the end.  It sounds like you think it did.  Did you use it as shampoo?  What were the results?
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2013, 12:29:57 PM »

Hi, Kim and thanks.  Actually, this is the first batch and just made today.  Since the recipe calls for 3 egg yolks, I plugged the percentages of oils in the SoapCalc and made a 16 oz. (oil weight) batch so that I would only need one yolk instead.  If the batch botched, I wasn't risking a whole lot in expense.  Looks like at least two of us are interested in a review of this recipe.  I will add a review in the future after this batch has cured.  For this recipe, I subbed spearmint for the tea tree and added 1/2 tsp. ppo madder root (my daughter loves pink).

Regarding your question about whether or not the egg really makes a difference, I am not sure how this batch will turn out.  If the egg was dispersed properly, it should do what it is intended to do and that is to improve lather and add protein and vitamins A, D, and E.  If the egg is cooked prior to incorporating with the rest of the batter, which is what I believe happened in this case, my thought process tells me that it won't have the maximum benefits intended.  We shall see!  I can hardly wait...

My biggest concern with this recipe is the INS and Iodine values.  I wonder if this soap will develop DOS.  Perhaps the values are normal for a shampoo bar though.  I don't have experience with shampoo bars, yet.  That's gonna change...   Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2013, 08:54:43 AM »

I have been making shampoo bars and adjusting each time since Sept.  I am fairly happy with my last one, but it seems I am happy with each one for a month or so and then my hair gets dry.  I have really hard smelly water.  I started super fatting up. Now I am at 7 for shampoo.  Most shampoos go down in the superfat, but I had to go up.
About the Tussah Silk.  I have used it a few times and noticed that it doesn't totally dissolve.  I just poured it in without straining and never found fibers in any of my bars.  Not enough experience to say if it changes the bar qualities much. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2013, 04:00:03 PM »

Thanks, Kim for sharing your experience with shampoo bars.  I cut mine a little too soon and they've just hardened up enough so that I could clean them up a bit.  Here is a picture.  As you can see, the madder root left speckles, something that seems to be a common occurrence but not an unwelcome one.  The soaps remind me of strawberry ice cream.  Now, if I could just find a strawberry EO!   Smiley



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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2013, 04:28:00 PM »

Those bars look great.  Make sure to let me know how it goes when you try them on your hair.  Strawberry EO would be great!  I only use EOs and natural colorants.  As soon as I sell a few bars I need to search for some new (not too expensive) EO scents.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 05:21:13 AM »

Adding your yolk to your oils and stick blending like mad is the way to go.  If you add it to any lye, it will cook immediately.  It does add a  nice creaminess to the soap.

Also, Bittercreek north has a very nice strawberry jam FO, but it doesn't smell like jam at all.  I got a sample of strawberry fo from Essential depot and that one smells like strawberry bubblegum.  very artificial.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2013, 03:49:53 PM »

Those bars look great.  Make sure to let me know how it goes when you try them on your hair.  Strawberry EO would be great!  I only use EOs and natural colorants.  As soon as I sell a few bars I need to search for some new (not too expensive) EO scents.

Thanks, Kim!  I'll let you know how it goes.  Unfortunately, I don't think there is a real strawberry EO in existence but yeah, wouldn't that be nice if there was?  Most FOs give me a migraine or other headaches and dizziness.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 03:51:19 PM »

Thanks for the input, Loolee!   Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2013, 03:45:35 AM »

Interesting thread! I've been wanting to try making shampoo bars for quite some time now. Just don't really have the nerve to make one yet! It seems very hard to find the right recipe reading all posts concerning shampoo bars. Think I'll just stick with reading about making them a little longer  Wink
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2013, 08:06:14 AM »

Dutchie, I agree!  Now I've made some and have to get over the anxiety of actually trying it out once cured.  I'll be sure and post a review once that time comes.

I have been lingering around waiting for someone to come forward with the perfect shampoo bar and finally came to the conclusion that it isn't going to happen since hair types vary.  One other recipe that I'd like to try in addition to the SMR is found at http://frugallysustainable.com/2011/12/shampoo-bar-soap-recipe/ but I cannot afford jojoba oil right now.
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2013, 10:22:39 AM »

Just been reading a thread at  soapmakingforum.com and there is a recipe everyone raves about. Think I'm going to try that one with a little bit of tweaking Wink Also really want to hear how your bars turn out!
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2013, 12:51:13 PM »

I use tussah silk in almost everything.  In order for it to "disappear" I add it to the distilled water, then add the lye.  It always disappears before the water temp is below 125.  Good luck!
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2013, 01:34:20 PM »

Just been reading a thread at  soapmakingforum.com and there is a recipe everyone raves about. Think I'm going to try that one with a little bit of tweaking Wink Also really want to hear how your bars turn out!

Dutchie, do you mind sharing the page the thread is found on?  Thanks!
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2013, 01:39:21 PM »

I use tussah silk in almost everything.  In order for it to "disappear" I add it to the distilled water, then add the lye.  It always disappears before the water temp is below 125.  Good luck!

SMR's recipe instructs to add the silk prior to the lye.  I still had fibers left after soap-cooling.  I'm sure it would have been fine to leave them but I felt better about straining.  Thanks!   Smiley
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