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« on: June 27, 2013, 07:03:02 PM »

I wish I had taken pictures, I did a 5lb batch of a recipe I've used many times, the only difference is the essential oils (anise & orange x5) I'd used. I made a 3lb loaf and 2 - 6 cavity rose molds. The 1 rose mold I put in my oven preheated to 170 then turned off, the other I put in my deep freezer. The roses were both colored with a small amount of TD to make sure they were white & poured first at a med - light trace. The loaf sat open on shelf in my warm garage where it gelled naturally.

The results, freezer rose mold were my first perfect roses, creamy white, unmolded perfectly, no oil. The cpop rose had a orange oil floating on top that didn't do anything but sit there for days, unmolded badly and are now sitting in my rebatch bucket.
The loaf was a little more oily than normal (but nothing like the oven roses) and are cut and sitting on curing rack. I guess I'll know for sure in a month. Undecided

I didn't realize I was conducting a major experiment, LOL I now have a mental note, no orange & anise EO in the oven, but is that really what it was. If so, is there a list of EOs that shouldn't be CPOP or even gelled at all?

The loaf would have been in my oven but I had made a batch of another soap in the morning & my oven was full, thank goodness.
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2013, 06:57:07 AM »

Something just occurred to me as I read this. You had trouble with seeping oil except in the one you put in the freezer. What I'm wondering is whether the orange e.o. is the culprit? Some of you will remember the oiliness trouble many of us have had when making honey oatmeal soap that uses orange e.o.  Could that possibly be the problem and if so would freezing be our solution? Guess I'll put it to the test.
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2013, 07:09:08 AM »

I bought a 40oz bottle of Orange EO and have been using it a lot... have not had any separations but I am also not oven processing. OP can be done after the saponification step to force gel, it doesn't have to be right after pour... maybe just insulate the mold until the next day, then oven process it.


When I see oil I think it got too hot or it needed more blending.  High water + olive and other soft oils = more prone to separations


O wait, I did OP a bananna soap with orange and anise.  Everything went according to plan.   Huh  It was low water formula.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 10:01:17 AM »

I didn't use a water discount, I wanted it thin to pour, but that didn't work out, it traced really fast & with the stick blender in a minute it was thicker than I wanted. I'm still compiling my list of additives that effect my soaps and how.  This was a new EO combo for me and for now is on my fast trace list. I don't know if it makes any difference, orange EO vs orange x5 eo. (this was the free bottle Steve offered here a few months ago)

I plan to have a free day Sunday, I've decided to run a planned experiment of making at least 10 half pound batches using my favorite basic recipe of olive, caster, coconut oils and shea butter using a no additives as a starter and then seeing what the difference is using eo combos and other additives & colors.  I think it will take me longer to set up & track results, than actually make the soap.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2013, 03:47:07 AM »

Definitely sounds like an overheating issue.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2013, 07:01:20 AM »

Just a thought.  Probably nothing.  I recently used the bottle of orange 5x that I got free from SMR.  That is the 1st batch I have had trouble with leakage on.  Since you mentioned it was that EO I thought maybe there was a connection.  Something different about that batch of orange 5x.  Huh  Anybody else?  Like I said, probably not the issue, but to me, worth mentioning just in case.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2013, 07:54:13 AM »

Definitely sounds like an overheating issue.

Only thing is that 2 of the 3 I had trouble with were not cpop. Go figure.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2013, 09:23:01 AM »

Just a thought.  Probably nothing.  I recently used the bottle of orange 5x that I got free from SMR.  That is the 1st batch I have had trouble with leakage on.  Since you mentioned it was that EO I thought maybe there was a connection.  Something different about that batch of orange 5x.  Huh  Anybody else?  Like I said, probably not the issue, but to me, worth mentioning just in case.

What happened when you used that orange?
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2013, 10:25:05 AM »

I made a recipe I have made several times with orange 5x and clove bud with no issues.  This time the log was oily on the outside and inside when I cut there was a pocket that leaked out oil.  It didn't smell like straight EO.  Maybe a mix of oils.  I didn't think much about it until you mentioned it was the bottle from the free giveaway.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2013, 12:03:02 PM »

I'm thinking tomorrow while I'm conducting my experiment, I might just throw that whole batch into the crock pot. Even the loaf is still oily, This was my first attempt at the mantra swirl & it didn't turn out like I'd hoped but still looks cool. Oh well, I've had other CP blunders that became a great HP soap, maybe this can be saved too.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2013, 01:31:46 PM »

@cc include all the loose oil in your rebatch!
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2013, 06:18:22 PM »

I didn't even think about that, hum, that recipe had a normal 5% superfat, since I'm sure I've lost some of that oil should I add maybe 3% more oil to the soap? When I plan on a HP soap I add in oil after the cook for superfat.
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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2013, 07:47:16 PM »

I do CPOP with every batch and I use Orange EO with alot of my soaps eithe alone or added to other EO's - I have never had any problem with it ?
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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2013, 07:59:21 PM »

LOL, It wasn't the product, it was the soap maker. I had to make a late night run to the store when a scale broke in the middle of soap making a few months ago. A couple weeks ago I saw a scale on sale at costco and thought it would be great to have a oil scale in my room and another in the garage where I do the Lye & water. I learned it's not such a good idea to use 2 scales if I don't want to check my calibration all the time. Shocked
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